Comments on: …And That’s When Ashley Judd Fucked it Up. http://www.axisoffat.com/2012/04/and-thats-when-ashley-judd-fucked-it-up.html Fatting all over the place and looking fancy all the while. Sat, 04 May 2013 12:38:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: David_Lenton http://www.axisoffat.com/2012/04/and-thats-when-ashley-judd-fucked-it-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-8958 David_Lenton Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:27:00 +0000 http://www.axisoffat.com/?p=751#comment-8958 Oh, I wasn’t trying to say that she was suggesting a size 8 was fat – I think she’s doing the exact opposite. But there was something about the specificity of her words (that heckling a size 8 for being fat was “extraordinary”) that I think left room open for the heckling of someone of a larger size. Although I do admit that this is a point at which I could be taking the analysis a bit far.

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By: David_Lenton http://www.axisoffat.com/2012/04/and-thats-when-ashley-judd-fucked-it-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-8959 David_Lenton Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:27:00 +0000 http://www.axisoffat.com/?p=751#comment-8959  a

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By: LittleBigGirl http://www.axisoffat.com/2012/04/and-thats-when-ashley-judd-fucked-it-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-8957 LittleBigGirl Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:30:00 +0000 http://www.axisoffat.com/?p=751#comment-8957 Based on Judd’s words I feel she has a fairly good grasp on feminism and the Beauty Myth, but she does not seem to be as aware or knowledgeable when it comes to the concepts of self acceptance and fat acceptance. (My understanding of) SA/FA includes the building block concepts that a) every is different for many different reasons and b) people should not be judged by, or treated according to, their weight and doing so is put in the same category as using skin color or (perceived) gender to determine how much acknowledgment and respect an individual is “allowed.”
I would like to be optimistic and call Judd’s comments about weight and fat more a “stumble” than an out and out fuck up. It is just one more example of how we still have a ways to go. I think for her to be defending herself at all is a minor miracle and we should be glad for the dialogue opportunity.

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By: Ashley http://www.axisoffat.com/2012/04/and-thats-when-ashley-judd-fucked-it-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-8946 Ashley Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:08:00 +0000 http://www.axisoffat.com/?p=751#comment-8946 I agree that her comments here wren’t as carefully constructed as her words in the essay, but I don’t see where she referred to size 8 as fat. It’s definitely not fat but it is larger for her. 

However, I do think her comment about “carrying that kind of weight” reveals that she does judge people for being weighty past a certain point. As someone who is thin, I have felt the sting when people say similarly to what Judd said but about thin people, “When I see people THAT skinny, I can’t help but think there is some disordered eating.” It’s not ok to assume disordered eating in either fat or thin people.

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By: David http://www.axisoffat.com/2012/04/and-thats-when-ashley-judd-fucked-it-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-8940 David Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:47:00 +0000 http://www.axisoffat.com/?p=751#comment-8940  Thanks, Elizabeth! That’s what I was trying to point out.

It’s an extremely important conversation that I think has been marred by a counterproductive point.

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By: David http://www.axisoffat.com/2012/04/and-thats-when-ashley-judd-fucked-it-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-8939 David Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:44:00 +0000 http://www.axisoffat.com/?p=751#comment-8939 She didn’t just make the comment about weight gain happening over the Winter period once in a general conversation; she made it twice, in an essay about how the focus on women’s bodies is damaging, in conjunction with a pathologising comment about fat on a TV show in a media tour about the same topic.

Linking weight gain to the Winter period isn’t just something that Judd has said in a vaccum. It’s a common meme and is often used as a justification for weight gain. And the unstated flipside of that meme is that, once it’s no longer Winter and that lazy funk is over, the weight will be lost.

Now, please note, I stated repeatedly in the post that Judd’s overall argument is a strong one and that I don’t think that this necessarily weakens it at all. I just find it problematic that in this interview she pathologised fat (going out of her way to say that there must be some underlying reason for why someone is fat) and that in her essay she seems to go out of her way to explain her weight gain. In a narrative about how objectifcation is damaging, what purpose does this serve, except to indicate that it’s not the norm?

The only place where I think I could be accused of “picking apart” what she says and “extrapolating” is with respect to the specificity of her comment about a size eight being heckled for being fat – and I go to great lengths to acknowledge that within the post. Otherwise I’m commenting specifically on her own words.

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By: Elizabeth http://www.axisoffat.com/2012/04/and-thats-when-ashley-judd-fucked-it-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-8938 Elizabeth Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:39:00 +0000 http://www.axisoffat.com/?p=751#comment-8938 It’s pretty damn obvious in Judd’s comment that she manifestly does NOT mean “being fat in this culture leads to self-esteem issues because of how fat people are treated.”

She means that when she “sees a person carrying that kind of weight” she believes she is justified in assuming that they’re carrying that weight BECAUSE they have “self-esteem issues” and “disordered eating.”

I’m sure you’re aware of how prevalent this line of argument is against fat people–particularly women. You’re fat because: You’re scared of men! You were abused as a child! You’re self-destructive! Etc, ad infinitum. Solve your emotional problems and you’ll magically become thin!

Judd is,
for all the good points she makes, still engaging in hypocrisy. She is making–damaging!–assumptions about OTHER WOMEN’S bodies while at the same time claiming this behavior needs to stop.

It’s important to say that.

 

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By: Fat Girl http://www.axisoffat.com/2012/04/and-thats-when-ashley-judd-fucked-it-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-8935 Fat Girl Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:24:00 +0000 http://www.axisoffat.com/?p=751#comment-8935 For Judd, it’s possible that she does gain weight when she is lazy and doesn’t exercise. I think a mistake is being made here in going from the specific to the general. She’s not speaking for other people and saying they are lazy and therefore fat. She’s speaking for herself. In fact, I think that if she could be speaking to the fact that, without specific structured effort, it is impossible for her (or anyone) to be so tiny as a size 2 or 4. 

As for pathologizing fatness, well, I think that the fact that the fat acceptance movement exists and is necessary provides support for her comments about self-esteem. It is not possible to be fat in this world without suffering esteem issues. That’s part of why fat people need support sites like this one.

I don’t think the way in which you pick apart and extrapolate what she’s saying is really doing anybody any good. You jump to all sorts of conclusions based on her comments and if someone did the same to your arguments, I’m pretty sure you would not be pleased. She never said everyone gains weight over winter and that it’s natural. She was the one accused of having had plastic surgery. She was the one who said she looks different because she gained weight over winter. Let’s not put words in her mouth lest others put words in ours in response. 

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