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		<title>By: ErinAree</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2010/02/dating-so-much-fun.html/comment-page-1#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator>ErinAree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 06:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is ridiculous about this whole thing is that it even needs to be an issue.  A skinny girl would not say &#039;Just so you know, I&#039;m skinny&#039;.  A guy with glasses wouldn&#039;t not say &#039;Oh, and by the way, I wear glasses&#039;.  It&#039;s the fact that &#039;fat&#039; is so negatively looked at that is the problem here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I feel very lucky that the very first guy I met up with from an online dating site fell head over heels for me in the first minutes of us meeting.  My size has never, not once, been an issue for him.  He calls me sexy and beautiful all the time and is confused when I tell him that I&#039;m not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is ridiculous about this whole thing is that it even needs to be an issue.  A skinny girl would not say &#39;Just so you know, I&#39;m skinny&#39;.  A guy with glasses wouldn&#39;t not say &#39;Oh, and by the way, I wear glasses&#39;.  It&#39;s the fact that &#39;fat&#39; is so negatively looked at that is the problem here.</p>
<p>I feel very lucky that the very first guy I met up with from an online dating site fell head over heels for me in the first minutes of us meeting.  My size has never, not once, been an issue for him.  He calls me sexy and beautiful all the time and is confused when I tell him that I&#39;m not.</p>
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		<title>By: MelbQueerFatFemme</title>
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		<dc:creator>MelbQueerFatFemme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this a really interesting article as a 27 year old queer fat girl who has only just, in the last few years been coming to terms with my sexuality (I am attracted to men, women and others who identify somewhere else along the gender spectrum) and even more recently coming to terms with my physicality as a fat person - and trying to accept my body as it is.  I have held onto so much fear about exposing myself to possible rejection all of my life.  I have never dated and never had a relationship, although have had my heart broken.  Since starting to accept myself, which is still an ongoing struggle, I have only just started to think about trying to date.  This is a REALLY scary prospect for me but I&#039;m trying to know that I deserve to be loved as I am.&lt;br&gt;So, aside from telling my story, I guess I&#039;m seeking some tips/advice about where to start - what dating sites have you used?  Where have you gone to meet people?  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this a really interesting article as a 27 year old queer fat girl who has only just, in the last few years been coming to terms with my sexuality (I am attracted to men, women and others who identify somewhere else along the gender spectrum) and even more recently coming to terms with my physicality as a fat person &#8211; and trying to accept my body as it is.  I have held onto so much fear about exposing myself to possible rejection all of my life.  I have never dated and never had a relationship, although have had my heart broken.  Since starting to accept myself, which is still an ongoing struggle, I have only just started to think about trying to date.  This is a REALLY scary prospect for me but I&#39;m trying to know that I deserve to be loved as I am.<br />So, aside from telling my story, I guess I&#39;m seeking some tips/advice about where to start &#8211; what dating sites have you used?  Where have you gone to meet people?  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: danalynny</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2010/02/dating-so-much-fun.html/comment-page-1#comment-625</link>
		<dc:creator>danalynny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting about this. It’s a struggle, to say the least, whether or not to say something about my size, or not. It’s also a shame how often we get passed over, by, it seems, great guys, on dating sites, just because of our size. I don’t hide the fact that I&#039;m a large woman on my profile, so I assume, as did you, that they won’t be shocked to see a fat lady when we meet. I&#039;ve been talking to this wonderful guy for a while now, and last night I just had to say something regarding my size. I said &quot;I&#039;m far from a skinny girl&quot;. He said, &quot;Are you now?&quot;...&quot;well curvy girls need lovin too ;)&quot;. I couldn’t tell you how happy that made me when he said that. Let&#039;s hope that this keeps going in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting about this. It’s a struggle, to say the least, whether or not to say something about my size, or not. It’s also a shame how often we get passed over, by, it seems, great guys, on dating sites, just because of our size. I don’t hide the fact that I&#39;m a large woman on my profile, so I assume, as did you, that they won’t be shocked to see a fat lady when we meet. I&#39;ve been talking to this wonderful guy for a while now, and last night I just had to say something regarding my size. I said &#8220;I&#39;m far from a skinny girl&#8221;. He said, &#8220;Are you now?&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;well curvy girls need lovin too <img src='http://www.axisoffat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;. I couldn’t tell you how happy that made me when he said that. Let&#39;s hope that this keeps going in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: artsykelly</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2010/02/dating-so-much-fun.html/comment-page-1#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>artsykelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually *do* make a statement about being fat when meeting potential dates online - in fact it&#039;s within the first few sentences on my dating profile.  If it&#039;s at a point where we&#039;re chatting or emailing, I&#039;ll sometimes include some full body &quot;unflattering&quot; pics and say something about wanting to make sure they understand that I&#039;m a larger woman and I&#039;m not attempting to misrepresent myself.  Most guys who&#039;ve already been communicating with me respond well and don&#039;t seem shocked when we meet. It takes the pressure off me b/c they&#039;ve already seen my &quot;cute&quot; pics and &quot;real&quot; pics.  I actually have a girlfriend who will check my photos for me to make sure I look fat enough - how silly is that?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually *do* make a statement about being fat when meeting potential dates online &#8211; in fact it&#39;s within the first few sentences on my dating profile.  If it&#39;s at a point where we&#39;re chatting or emailing, I&#39;ll sometimes include some full body &#8220;unflattering&#8221; pics and say something about wanting to make sure they understand that I&#39;m a larger woman and I&#39;m not attempting to misrepresent myself.  Most guys who&#39;ve already been communicating with me respond well and don&#39;t seem shocked when we meet. It takes the pressure off me b/c they&#39;ve already seen my &#8220;cute&#8221; pics and &#8220;real&#8221; pics.  I actually have a girlfriend who will check my photos for me to make sure I look fat enough &#8211; how silly is that?!</p>
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		<title>By: regwebb</title>
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		<dc:creator>regwebb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this.  Sorry about confusing polyamory with casual sex - that&#039;s my anxiety around this issue showing through.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We&#039;re all on a continuum, well several continuua, relating to our needs, sexual preferences, security/insecurity ETC.  Consistency clearly demands that I (try) to regulate my behaviour according to what I can tolerate in others.  This is only my feeling of course, but &quot;resisting&quot; those impulses is a way of affirming the importance of my primary relationship.  It&#039;s a way of demonstrating my commitment, both to myself and my partner.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can see there are different ways of establishing trust between people, and I think the issue of what two people need from each other to feel secure is often neglected as an area of prime importance.  My initial feeling would be that polyamory has to apply to both of you.  A monogamous partner who simply accepted that her/his partner had polyamorous needs is hard for me to imagine.  But I&#039;m rationalising on the basis of my own feelings of course.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, it&#039;s all mightily subjective, and I think the main thing is that both people have to be on the same page.  If I thought I really understood someone on a different page, I&#039;d be afraid that the wishful thinking had started, and there might be trouble ahead.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks again for your response, and for the opportunity to think aloud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this.  Sorry about confusing polyamory with casual sex &#8211; that&#39;s my anxiety around this issue showing through.</p>
<p>We&#39;re all on a continuum, well several continuua, relating to our needs, sexual preferences, security/insecurity ETC.  Consistency clearly demands that I (try) to regulate my behaviour according to what I can tolerate in others.  This is only my feeling of course, but &#8220;resisting&#8221; those impulses is a way of affirming the importance of my primary relationship.  It&#39;s a way of demonstrating my commitment, both to myself and my partner.</p>
<p>I can see there are different ways of establishing trust between people, and I think the issue of what two people need from each other to feel secure is often neglected as an area of prime importance.  My initial feeling would be that polyamory has to apply to both of you.  A monogamous partner who simply accepted that her/his partner had polyamorous needs is hard for me to imagine.  But I&#39;m rationalising on the basis of my own feelings of course.</p>
<p>Anyway, it&#39;s all mightily subjective, and I think the main thing is that both people have to be on the same page.  If I thought I really understood someone on a different page, I&#39;d be afraid that the wishful thinking had started, and there might be trouble ahead.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your response, and for the opportunity to think aloud.</p>
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		<title>By: Omega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not for everyone, and it sounds like it might not be for you. That&#039;s okay.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not sure where you got the idea that &quot;give(ing) some relative stranger a good time&quot; is what being poly is about.. it isn&#039;t. Not all poly people are into casual encounters - some are, I&#039;m certainly not. Many poly people (myself included) seek out this lifestyle simply BECAUSE they feel that love and sex are very much intertwined. Polyamory is not &quot;have sex with whoever you want, but just love one person&quot;.. I think that would more properly be described as &quot;swinging&quot; which is often considered almost polar opposite to polyamory in it&#039;s philosophy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;d be foolish for me or anyone to claim that I had it &quot;all sorted out&quot; but the problem you describe has never been an issue for me.. my partner(s) and I communicate a lot, and if someone is feeling bad then we work it out, together, long before it turns into the sort of heart-wrenching pain you&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s not for everyone, and it sounds like it might not be for you. That&#39;s okay.</p>
<p>I&#39;m not sure where you got the idea that &#8220;give(ing) some relative stranger a good time&#8221; is what being poly is about.. it isn&#39;t. Not all poly people are into casual encounters &#8211; some are, I&#39;m certainly not. Many poly people (myself included) seek out this lifestyle simply BECAUSE they feel that love and sex are very much intertwined. Polyamory is not &#8220;have sex with whoever you want, but just love one person&#8221;.. I think that would more properly be described as &#8220;swinging&#8221; which is often considered almost polar opposite to polyamory in it&#39;s philosophy.</p>
<p>It&#39;d be foolish for me or anyone to claim that I had it &#8220;all sorted out&#8221; but the problem you describe has never been an issue for me.. my partner(s) and I communicate a lot, and if someone is feeling bad then we work it out, together, long before it turns into the sort of heart-wrenching pain you&#39;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: amplecurves</title>
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		<dc:creator>amplecurves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that feeling about wanting to say something about being fat (and how it&#039;s ok) SO BAD cuz I&#039;m so sick of being passed over for this reason, but I&#039;m trying really hard to bite my tongue b/c I know that looking &quot;defensive&quot; can turn people off. And, after all, someone I really want to be with isn&#039;t gonna need the lecture in the first place. But JEEZE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that feeling about wanting to say something about being fat (and how it&#39;s ok) SO BAD cuz I&#39;m so sick of being passed over for this reason, but I&#39;m trying really hard to bite my tongue b/c I know that looking &#8220;defensive&#8221; can turn people off. And, after all, someone I really want to be with isn&#39;t gonna need the lecture in the first place. But JEEZE.</p>
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		<title>By: regwebb</title>
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		<dc:creator>regwebb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is hard to express properly, so if I sound sensorious, it came out wrong.&lt;br&gt;This post triggers my personal feelings, and that&#039;s all they are of course, about &quot;poly&quot; as a basis for sexual relationships.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If there&#039;s a main relationship involved, I.E. if two people live together or something close to that, I suppose most people would agree, as you say, that everyone has to be &quot;informed&quot;.  Acting on the basis of &quot;what the other person doesn&#039;t know about doesn&#039;t matter&quot;, is, if not exploitative, at least contemptuous of the other&#039;s feelings - one&#039;s own wishes always coming first.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, informed or not, my problem is that I can&#039;t treat love and sex between two people as separate.  Sex on its own can do nothing for me which masturbation can&#039;t, and sex with another human being seems to cross some line which I couldn&#039;t bear my partner to cross, which rules it out for me as well of course.  There is certainly a part of me which would like to be all accepting, and I&#039;m as prone to hormonal impulses as anyone but, it would feel like squandering the long term for the sake of the short term.  Putting something fundamental at risk for the sake of something which might not even be enjoyable and, if it was, it would only be the equivalent of masturbation, plus proving some dumb thing to myself about how I could still be attractive and give some relative stranger a good time.  I&#039;m a musician;  I can give a roomful of people a good time.  Why would I want my partner going nuts about what aspect of our mutual trust had been violated, as I would wonder if she were doing the same thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If poly people have got all this totally sorted out, then I certainly wish you nothing but well.  But I worry that some might only find that it wasn&#039;t as sorted out as they thought it was, when someone they loved had to cave in and admit the pain they were suffering.  Then what would you do?  Put your desire for variety ahead of love and trust?  Just asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is hard to express properly, so if I sound sensorious, it came out wrong.<br />This post triggers my personal feelings, and that&#39;s all they are of course, about &#8220;poly&#8221; as a basis for sexual relationships.</p>
<p>If there&#39;s a main relationship involved, I.E. if two people live together or something close to that, I suppose most people would agree, as you say, that everyone has to be &#8220;informed&#8221;.  Acting on the basis of &#8220;what the other person doesn&#39;t know about doesn&#39;t matter&#8221;, is, if not exploitative, at least contemptuous of the other&#39;s feelings &#8211; one&#39;s own wishes always coming first.</p>
<p>But, informed or not, my problem is that I can&#39;t treat love and sex between two people as separate.  Sex on its own can do nothing for me which masturbation can&#39;t, and sex with another human being seems to cross some line which I couldn&#39;t bear my partner to cross, which rules it out for me as well of course.  There is certainly a part of me which would like to be all accepting, and I&#39;m as prone to hormonal impulses as anyone but, it would feel like squandering the long term for the sake of the short term.  Putting something fundamental at risk for the sake of something which might not even be enjoyable and, if it was, it would only be the equivalent of masturbation, plus proving some dumb thing to myself about how I could still be attractive and give some relative stranger a good time.  I&#39;m a musician;  I can give a roomful of people a good time.  Why would I want my partner going nuts about what aspect of our mutual trust had been violated, as I would wonder if she were doing the same thing.</p>
<p>If poly people have got all this totally sorted out, then I certainly wish you nothing but well.  But I worry that some might only find that it wasn&#39;t as sorted out as they thought it was, when someone they loved had to cave in and admit the pain they were suffering.  Then what would you do?  Put your desire for variety ahead of love and trust?  Just asking.</p>
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		<title>By: MiniMolly</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really dont get why guys say they like curves but all end up choosing the breakable skinny types, Im a big girl and thats the way it is and shall remain, if i can see past your bad morning breath, your overt body hair and your egocentric issues surely you can love me for me, no wait you think all good women are caged in a size 8 and even better if they get their kit off on the net? did I miss the memo saying all men now are just complete wastes? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really dont get why guys say they like curves but all end up choosing the breakable skinny types, Im a big girl and thats the way it is and shall remain, if i can see past your bad morning breath, your overt body hair and your egocentric issues surely you can love me for me, no wait you think all good women are caged in a size 8 and even better if they get their kit off on the net? did I miss the memo saying all men now are just complete wastes? <img src='http://www.axisoffat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JLopezCostume</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLopezCostume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would begin convos with people on dating sites and then go, &quot;I&#039;m fat.&quot; Most of them seem not to care, but one gentleman decided to give me a lecture about how unsexy a lack of self esteem is, and how I need to learn to love myself and stop calling myself names. I tried to explain to him that he was totally off the mark with my comment, but he basically told me to grow up and disappeared. I&#039;ve had others react the same way when I use the word fat, as if I am insulting myself or others, when that is totally not the context I am using. *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would begin convos with people on dating sites and then go, &#8220;I&#39;m fat.&#8221; Most of them seem not to care, but one gentleman decided to give me a lecture about how unsexy a lack of self esteem is, and how I need to learn to love myself and stop calling myself names. I tried to explain to him that he was totally off the mark with my comment, but he basically told me to grow up and disappeared. I&#39;ve had others react the same way when I use the word fat, as if I am insulting myself or others, when that is totally not the context I am using. *shrug*</p>
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