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	<title>Comments on: Love your body, but only if&#8230; (you have one)</title>
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	<description>Fatting all over the place and looking fancy all the while.</description>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/10/love-your-body-but-only-if-you-have-one.html/comment-page-1#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m aware it was more of a rallying cry than a statement of facts, but to relate it perhaps back to a more prominent point of Natalie&#039;s post - I don&#039;t see a lot of skinny women (or men) lining up to be Fat Allies, just as you don&#039;t see a lot of White FA blogs really making a stand against their - and others - racism. We&#039;re not really all in this together theoretically, because - just as with men and feminism and White people and racism - actual social change to re-humanise fat people means stripping these individuals of their privilege. So to put it simply: I&#039;m not in it together with self (and fat)-hating Skinnies because I&#039;m in this for me and the other Fatties, and if other people benefit from it, that&#039;s a nice side-effect, but we shouldn&#039;t have to &quot;win people over&quot; to the cause by bribing them with promises of better self-confidence and so on, since that undermines the original point of this being about giving respect to the people who currently lack it. Which yeah, often means making safe-spaces where those with privilege are not allowed, or really co-opting media sources and blocking out other voices in the majority who are heard all the time, nonstop, to the detrement of the minority. Whether it&#039;s having a Fats-only blog or a Black-Women only literature circle or whatever. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, frankly, after witnessing time and time again the way people with privilege - even those who consider themselves &quot;allies&quot; - react to these concepts when applied to other kinds of bigotry, I don&#039;t think the FA movement is going to be any different. We&#039;re not all in this together, and frankly, I don&#039;t want us to be all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m aware it was more of a rallying cry than a statement of facts, but to relate it perhaps back to a more prominent point of Natalie&#39;s post &#8211; I don&#39;t see a lot of skinny women (or men) lining up to be Fat Allies, just as you don&#39;t see a lot of White FA blogs really making a stand against their &#8211; and others &#8211; racism. We&#39;re not really all in this together theoretically, because &#8211; just as with men and feminism and White people and racism &#8211; actual social change to re-humanise fat people means stripping these individuals of their privilege. So to put it simply: I&#39;m not in it together with self (and fat)-hating Skinnies because I&#39;m in this for me and the other Fatties, and if other people benefit from it, that&#39;s a nice side-effect, but we shouldn&#39;t have to &#8220;win people over&#8221; to the cause by bribing them with promises of better self-confidence and so on, since that undermines the original point of this being about giving respect to the people who currently lack it. Which yeah, often means making safe-spaces where those with privilege are not allowed, or really co-opting media sources and blocking out other voices in the majority who are heard all the time, nonstop, to the detrement of the minority. Whether it&#39;s having a Fats-only blog or a Black-Women only literature circle or whatever. </p>
<p>And, frankly, after witnessing time and time again the way people with privilege &#8211; even those who consider themselves &#8220;allies&#8221; &#8211; react to these concepts when applied to other kinds of bigotry, I don&#39;t think the FA movement is going to be any different. We&#39;re not all in this together, and frankly, I don&#39;t want us to be all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Omega</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/10/love-your-body-but-only-if-you-have-one.html/comment-page-1#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator>Omega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a valuable point you bring up, but I am not sure it has much relevance to Natalie&#039;s post. It&#039;s fairly obvious when she said &quot;We&#039;re all in this together&quot;, she&#039;s very aware that at the moment, we&#039;re not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s a valuable point you bring up, but I am not sure it has much relevance to Natalie&#39;s post. It&#39;s fairly obvious when she said &#8220;We&#39;re all in this together&#8221;, she&#39;s very aware that at the moment, we&#39;re not.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/10/love-your-body-but-only-if-you-have-one.html/comment-page-1#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that the base message of a lot (actually all) of mainstream body acceptance is that it&#039;s okay to be as fat or thin as you want, so long as you&#039;re fat or thin in a way that men want to bang you. Otherwise, uh, why do you even bother existing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t forget that the base message of a lot (actually all) of mainstream body acceptance is that it&#39;s okay to be as fat or thin as you want, so long as you&#39;re fat or thin in a way that men want to bang you. Otherwise, uh, why do you even bother existing?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/10/love-your-body-but-only-if-you-have-one.html/comment-page-1#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think we are all in this together.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We are not one great hive-mind, because true acceptance and respect for all would require different manners of thought-change about different people from different people. It&#039;s one thing to not be able to fit into a Jeans West piece of clothing because they&#039;re such disgustingly small sizes, it&#039;s another thing entirely to not be able to put the tray table down when you fly because, let&#039;s be honest, fat people are the thorn in the side of all airlines. It&#039;s one thing to be a size 16 White teenage girl verging on an eating disorder because you&#039;re from Kenmore and you need to Keep Up Appearences of everything that goes along with the White culture that permeates the middle class who make up suburbs like that, anothing thing entirely to be an obese Indigenous Australian woman from Nhulunbuy who can barely afford canned products - let alone fresh fruit and veges - and who is demonised everytime she tries to access whatever meagre healthcare she can. One of the key cornerstones of FA in every piece of legitimate literature I&#039;ve read - and one of the most ignored and glossed-over aspects - is the issue of race in the demonisation of fat and obesity, and Australia is no different from the rest of the world. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are degrees of privilege, and while there&#039;s no such thing as the Oppression Olympics, FA is falling into the same Feminist trap over and over again of sacrificing (and sometimes outright damaging) voices from people who aren&#039;t White and Middle Class for the sake of their own prettifying validation or whatever. The notion of the &quot;Real Woman&quot; is the most damaging for us all but I&#039;ve seen very few FA sites/blogs who really go out of their way to smash through the discourses and constructs of White Femininity that make up that concept, especially the bigger name ones. And it&#039;s not just a racial issue, it&#039;s a gender and sexuality one as well. I was just focusing on race here as an example. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I guess this is a long way of saying I&#039;ll believe &quot;We&#039;re all in this together&quot;, when I start seeing that we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think we are all in this together.</p>
<p>We are not one great hive-mind, because true acceptance and respect for all would require different manners of thought-change about different people from different people. It&#39;s one thing to not be able to fit into a Jeans West piece of clothing because they&#39;re such disgustingly small sizes, it&#39;s another thing entirely to not be able to put the tray table down when you fly because, let&#39;s be honest, fat people are the thorn in the side of all airlines. It&#39;s one thing to be a size 16 White teenage girl verging on an eating disorder because you&#39;re from Kenmore and you need to Keep Up Appearences of everything that goes along with the White culture that permeates the middle class who make up suburbs like that, anothing thing entirely to be an obese Indigenous Australian woman from Nhulunbuy who can barely afford canned products &#8211; let alone fresh fruit and veges &#8211; and who is demonised everytime she tries to access whatever meagre healthcare she can. One of the key cornerstones of FA in every piece of legitimate literature I&#39;ve read &#8211; and one of the most ignored and glossed-over aspects &#8211; is the issue of race in the demonisation of fat and obesity, and Australia is no different from the rest of the world. </p>
<p>There are degrees of privilege, and while there&#39;s no such thing as the Oppression Olympics, FA is falling into the same Feminist trap over and over again of sacrificing (and sometimes outright damaging) voices from people who aren&#39;t White and Middle Class for the sake of their own prettifying validation or whatever. The notion of the &#8220;Real Woman&#8221; is the most damaging for us all but I&#39;ve seen very few FA sites/blogs who really go out of their way to smash through the discourses and constructs of White Femininity that make up that concept, especially the bigger name ones. And it&#39;s not just a racial issue, it&#39;s a gender and sexuality one as well. I was just focusing on race here as an example. </p>
<p>So I guess this is a long way of saying I&#39;ll believe &#8220;We&#39;re all in this together&#8221;, when I start seeing that we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big thanks for this post, because I notice the same reactions over and over again. Fat people can&#039;t do ANYTHING without being constantly harassed about what a danger to society they are. I really hate how they get treated like ignorant children - as if they don&#039;t care (or don&#039;t KNOW anything) about what they eat and how they move. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And then you get to the other side, where all fashion models are deemed &quot;anorexic&quot; or &quot;too skinny.&quot; I&#039;m sure these girls get tired of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big thanks for this post, because I notice the same reactions over and over again. Fat people can&#39;t do ANYTHING without being constantly harassed about what a danger to society they are. I really hate how they get treated like ignorant children &#8211; as if they don&#39;t care (or don&#39;t KNOW anything) about what they eat and how they move. </p>
<p>And then you get to the other side, where all fashion models are deemed &#8220;anorexic&#8221; or &#8220;too skinny.&#8221; I&#39;m sure these girls get tired of it.</p>
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		<title>By: emilylzbth</title>
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		<dc:creator>emilylzbth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel this way a lot. It&#039;s very &quot;love yourself..... if you&#039;re not TOO fat, that is. then diet down to an acceptable weight!&quot; I felt this way when Dove (do they have that in Australia?) launched their campaign for real beauty and their fat model was a size 16. It felt like that was the largest acceptable size. Also, as a size 26 I can&#039;t always fit into plus size lines that stop at a 24 and I often feel like I am above what is, in anyway, acceptable. It makes the FA journey that much harder for me. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also agree that if we&#039;re going to accept ourselves, we have to accept EVERYONE. I remember a post over at Fatshionista quite awhile back about a reality show featuring a 500 pound woman (who is beautiful and joyful, I think, and that&#039;s mostly how she seemed to be portrayed in the show, but it did revolved around weight loss I believe.) And there were a lot of people, even in a fat acceptance community, that were like &quot;well I&#039;m into accepting yourself but that&#039;s just WRONG.&quot; I think if we&#039;re going to be truly positive with each other we have to give EVERYONE regardless of how tiny/large they are, the right to feel good about themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel this way a lot. It&#39;s very &#8220;love yourself&#8230;.. if you&#39;re not TOO fat, that is. then diet down to an acceptable weight!&#8221; I felt this way when Dove (do they have that in Australia?) launched their campaign for real beauty and their fat model was a size 16. It felt like that was the largest acceptable size. Also, as a size 26 I can&#39;t always fit into plus size lines that stop at a 24 and I often feel like I am above what is, in anyway, acceptable. It makes the FA journey that much harder for me. </p>
<p>I also agree that if we&#39;re going to accept ourselves, we have to accept EVERYONE. I remember a post over at Fatshionista quite awhile back about a reality show featuring a 500 pound woman (who is beautiful and joyful, I think, and that&#39;s mostly how she seemed to be portrayed in the show, but it did revolved around weight loss I believe.) And there were a lot of people, even in a fat acceptance community, that were like &#8220;well I&#39;m into accepting yourself but that&#39;s just WRONG.&#8221; I think if we&#39;re going to be truly positive with each other we have to give EVERYONE regardless of how tiny/large they are, the right to feel good about themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: JLopezCostume</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLopezCostume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love if more fat people in the industry were given props for their contributions. You can yell about &quot;real women&quot; or whatever, but until those REAL real women are given the limelight in a positive way and not shoved into the background like good little hamsters on the wheel, then people will still have those opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love if more fat people in the industry were given props for their contributions. You can yell about &#8220;real women&#8221; or whatever, but until those REAL real women are given the limelight in a positive way and not shoved into the background like good little hamsters on the wheel, then people will still have those opinions.</p>
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