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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m fat without the ph, but you can determine my acidity baby.</title>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/07/im-fat-without-the-ph-but-you-can-determine-my-acidity-baby.html/comment-page-1#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to tell you, I wouldn&#039;t have been pleased about that either and I would have said both in private and in the comments.  I don&#039;t think she over-reacted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to tell you, I wouldn&#39;t have been pleased about that either and I would have said both in private and in the comments.  I don&#39;t think she over-reacted.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayla</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/07/im-fat-without-the-ph-but-you-can-determine-my-acidity-baby.html/comment-page-1#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Kayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;Agent Lover&quot; chick? Embodies why the rest of the world doesn&#039;t taking blogging seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;Agent Lover&#8221; chick? Embodies why the rest of the world doesn&#39;t taking blogging seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/07/im-fat-without-the-ph-but-you-can-determine-my-acidity-baby.html/comment-page-1#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you overall, but my main problem is the way people are harping on Agent Lover for bringing up her discomfort. Don’t get me wrong, I agree she should have done it privately and mediated her commentators better. But I also think that if someone treats you a way you’re not happy with, then you should say something. Hopefully that person will then apologize and both parties can move on (which Marie did – but the commentators didn’t). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also don’t think the way to reclaim the word “fat” is by calling &lt;i&gt;other people&lt;/i&gt; fat. It’s about being proud to call yourself fat. That’s how you de-stigmatize a label. (A perfect example is the c-word.  I may think there’s nothing wrong with the word “c-nt,” but that doesn’t mean I should go around calling people that willy nilly.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you overall, but my main problem is the way people are harping on Agent Lover for bringing up her discomfort. Don’t get me wrong, I agree she should have done it privately and mediated her commentators better. But I also think that if someone treats you a way you’re not happy with, then you should say something. Hopefully that person will then apologize and both parties can move on (which Marie did – but the commentators didn’t). </p>
<p>I also don’t think the way to reclaim the word “fat” is by calling <i>other people</i> fat. It’s about being proud to call yourself fat. That’s how you de-stigmatize a label. (A perfect example is the c-word.  I may think there’s nothing wrong with the word “c-nt,” but that doesn’t mean I should go around calling people that willy nilly.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/07/im-fat-without-the-ph-but-you-can-determine-my-acidity-baby.html/comment-page-1#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously wanted to kill myself reading the loooong comment thread on Marie&#039;s post, so thank you so much for bringing a much needed reality check. Both Marie and Mars could have handled it better, but all the &quot;why do we even need to single out non-skinny bloggers, isn&#039;t that STYLE DISCRIMINATION??&quot; comments were driving me crazy. Look, people, when you start seeing anyone over a size 4 on Sartorialist, then maybe we can talk. Until then, community-building posts like &quot;Fat Love Friday&quot; are absolutely a valid and necessary way to increase visibility for ALL BODY TYPES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously wanted to kill myself reading the loooong comment thread on Marie&#39;s post, so thank you so much for bringing a much needed reality check. Both Marie and Mars could have handled it better, but all the &#8220;why do we even need to single out non-skinny bloggers, isn&#39;t that STYLE DISCRIMINATION??&#8221; comments were driving me crazy. Look, people, when you start seeing anyone over a size 4 on Sartorialist, then maybe we can talk. Until then, community-building posts like &#8220;Fat Love Friday&#8221; are absolutely a valid and necessary way to increase visibility for ALL BODY TYPES.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiara the Merch Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/07/im-fat-without-the-ph-but-you-can-determine-my-acidity-baby.html/comment-page-1#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiara the Merch Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand being hurt because of past history. But there&#039;s that, and there&#039;s totally overreacting and demonizing the poor girl. Also Marie and her supporters were claiming that -no one- would ever want to be called fat for any reason, or call themselves fat, which is obviously a fallacy (as Natalie points out here).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Context is important. I was called &quot;Bangla&quot; as a pejorative growing up - &quot;you dirty Bangla get out of this country&quot;. But &quot;Joy Bangla&quot; was also the rallying cry for Bangladesh&#039;s independence. The context made all the difference - and in this case it was very obvious that Mars defined &quot;fat&quot; as a positive term. There&#039;s no point having an argument when you won&#039;t even agree on the definitions - it just becomes Attack of the Strawmen. Your definition isn&#039;t the world&#039;s definition - that goes BOTH ways. By reacting the way she did, instead of carefully considering the word &quot;fat&quot; and what Mars was trying to say, she is ENCOURAGING the use of it as an insult, which further demonises fat people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mars has been taking this rather well, considering the viciousness Marie and her commentors are showing to her on both blogs. People are pointing out comments and calling Mars a &quot;real Mother Theresa!&quot; as an insult! And neither Marie nor any of her supporters are saying &quot;hey, that isn&#039;t cool, chill out a bit.&quot;. What could have been just a quickly-sorted misunderstanding became a way to attack someone who may not have had enough syncophants to back her up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand being hurt because of past history. But there&#39;s that, and there&#39;s totally overreacting and demonizing the poor girl. Also Marie and her supporters were claiming that -no one- would ever want to be called fat for any reason, or call themselves fat, which is obviously a fallacy (as Natalie points out here).</p>
<p>Context is important. I was called &#8220;Bangla&#8221; as a pejorative growing up &#8211; &#8220;you dirty Bangla get out of this country&#8221;. But &#8220;Joy Bangla&#8221; was also the rallying cry for Bangladesh&#39;s independence. The context made all the difference &#8211; and in this case it was very obvious that Mars defined &#8220;fat&#8221; as a positive term. There&#39;s no point having an argument when you won&#39;t even agree on the definitions &#8211; it just becomes Attack of the Strawmen. Your definition isn&#39;t the world&#39;s definition &#8211; that goes BOTH ways. By reacting the way she did, instead of carefully considering the word &#8220;fat&#8221; and what Mars was trying to say, she is ENCOURAGING the use of it as an insult, which further demonises fat people.</p>
<p>Mars has been taking this rather well, considering the viciousness Marie and her commentors are showing to her on both blogs. People are pointing out comments and calling Mars a &#8220;real Mother Theresa!&#8221; as an insult! And neither Marie nor any of her supporters are saying &#8220;hey, that isn&#39;t cool, chill out a bit.&#8221;. What could have been just a quickly-sorted misunderstanding became a way to attack someone who may not have had enough syncophants to back her up.</p>
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		<title>By: dendoo</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/07/im-fat-without-the-ph-but-you-can-determine-my-acidity-baby.html/comment-page-1#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>dendoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just have to say that some people do take offense to being called &quot;fat&quot;.  my sister is a lil chubbs and she doesn&#039;t like hearing the &quot;f word&quot; being used to describe her.  call her big girl, chubbs, heavy boo but if you bust a fat she&#039;s really hurt.  then there are some people who LOOOOOVE being called fat.  it&#039;s who they are and who they be all day and every day.  it&#039;s them. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;now i don&#039;t think they had to go on mega attack mode with that other blogger since she did apologize and all that but i do think having an argumento...well it just ain&#039;t chill babes..it just ain&#039;t chill.  let&#039;s squash the beef cause we are all female and we have to support each other with the blogging and our thoughts and ideeears.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;much love, dendoo // a faboulously skinny ain&#039;t gats no booty black girl who supports all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just have to say that some people do take offense to being called &#8220;fat&#8221;.  my sister is a lil chubbs and she doesn&#39;t like hearing the &#8220;f word&#8221; being used to describe her.  call her big girl, chubbs, heavy boo but if you bust a fat she&#39;s really hurt.  then there are some people who LOOOOOVE being called fat.  it&#39;s who they are and who they be all day and every day.  it&#39;s them. </p>
<p>now i don&#39;t think they had to go on mega attack mode with that other blogger since she did apologize and all that but i do think having an argumento&#8230;well it just ain&#39;t chill babes..it just ain&#39;t chill.  let&#39;s squash the beef cause we are all female and we have to support each other with the blogging and our thoughts and ideeears.  </p>
<p>much love, dendoo // a faboulously skinny ain&#39;t gats no booty black girl who supports all</p>
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		<title>By: Tiara the Merch Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/07/im-fat-without-the-ph-but-you-can-determine-my-acidity-baby.html/comment-page-1#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiara the Merch Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I keep sending such links to you - because I know you&#039;d have a much better argument than anything I can ever come up with XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I keep sending such links to you &#8211; because I know you&#39;d have a much better argument than anything I can ever come up with XD</p>
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		<title>By: definatalie</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/07/im-fat-without-the-ph-but-you-can-determine-my-acidity-baby.html/comment-page-1#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>definatalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I&#039;m definitely not justifying posting of people&#039;s images without permission, I think it&#039;s always polite to ask if it&#039;s okay and especially in this context. There are a few &quot;fat girl rah rah&quot; type tumblrs that post photos of people without permission, and that doesn&#039;t sit quite so nicely with me which is why I decided to make FUCKYEAHDEATHFATTIES submission based, so people who self identify and are comfortable with the title can put forward their favourite photos.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wanted to address the negative approach to bodies that so many people have, and I am much more staunch about it than a lot of people because I feel quite comfortable taking the hard line. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it&#039;s important to accept we are flawed and mistakey, I really like that phrase :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I&#39;m definitely not justifying posting of people&#39;s images without permission, I think it&#39;s always polite to ask if it&#39;s okay and especially in this context. There are a few &#8220;fat girl rah rah&#8221; type tumblrs that post photos of people without permission, and that doesn&#39;t sit quite so nicely with me which is why I decided to make FUCKYEAHDEATHFATTIES submission based, so people who self identify and are comfortable with the title can put forward their favourite photos.</p>
<p>I wanted to address the negative approach to bodies that so many people have, and I am much more staunch about it than a lot of people because I feel quite comfortable taking the hard line. </p>
<p>I think it&#39;s important to accept we are flawed and mistakey, I really like that phrase <img src='http://www.axisoffat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: nitrojane</title>
		<link>http://www.axisoffat.com/2009/07/im-fat-without-the-ph-but-you-can-determine-my-acidity-baby.html/comment-page-1#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>nitrojane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOOHHHHH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOOHHHHH!</p>
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		<title>By: pip</title>
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		<dc:creator>pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it all comes down to intent, huh?  I think there was no malice meant here by anyone, actually.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I think that we can&#039;t assume that everyone is okay with the word &#039;fat&#039; just because the &#039;Fat Friday&#039; writer is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I mean, I call my partner &#039;arse-crack&#039; sometimes, as a term of endearment - but I wouldn&#039;t go having &#039;Arse-Crack Sunday&#039; on my blog...  With photos of other people I don&#039;t know, but whom I find endearing.... They might not share my terminology.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think we need to be careful, I guess, of hurting other people&#039;s feelings.  Especially people we don&#039;t even know, just for the sake of a blog post, however celebratory.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I think maybe just celebrate beauty and style and smarts - regardless of shape, colour etc?  And remember to be nice to other girls and try to understand them.  Usually they are just a bit flawed and human and mistakey like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it all comes down to intent, huh?  I think there was no malice meant here by anyone, actually.</p>
<p>But I think that we can&#39;t assume that everyone is okay with the word &#39;fat&#39; just because the &#39;Fat Friday&#39; writer is.</p>
<p>I mean, I call my partner &#39;arse-crack&#39; sometimes, as a term of endearment &#8211; but I wouldn&#39;t go having &#39;Arse-Crack Sunday&#39; on my blog&#8230;  With photos of other people I don&#39;t know, but whom I find endearing&#8230;. They might not share my terminology.</p>
<p>I think we need to be careful, I guess, of hurting other people&#39;s feelings.  Especially people we don&#39;t even know, just for the sake of a blog post, however celebratory.</p>
<p>And I think maybe just celebrate beauty and style and smarts &#8211; regardless of shape, colour etc?  And remember to be nice to other girls and try to understand them.  Usually they are just a bit flawed and human and mistakey like me.</p>
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